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		<title>By: The Linux Index &#187; Juan Carlos Torres: After all that’s been said</title>
		<link>http://jucato.org/blog/quo-vadis-kubuntu/comment-page-2/#comment-6970</link>
		<dc:creator>The Linux Index &#187; Juan Carlos Torres: After all that’s been said</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] just want to give some sort of closure to my previous blog post about trying to (re)define Kubuntu&#8217;s identity and goals, just to get rid of this chip on my [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Psionides</title>
		<link>http://jucato.org/blog/quo-vadis-kubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-6968</link>
		<dc:creator>Psionides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, it&#039;s definitely option 4 :) I&#039;d wanted to add it even before I started reading the comments... What I would like to see, is Kubuntu as one of two official &quot;faces&quot; of Ubuntu. So that on the main Ubuntu website we would see &quot;This is ubuntu, the best Linux distribution. It has two versions, Ubuntu, the Gnome  version, and Kubuntu, the KDE version&quot;. And in every official release announcement, we would see &quot;We&#039;ve just released Ubuntu x.xx. You can download the Gnome version here, and the KDE version (Kubuntu) here.&quot;... I know, sounds impossible, but I can always dream... ;)

Or, if option 4 is not possible, then option 1. I&#039;ve been using Kubuntu for about a year and a half now, and frankly, it was always sufficient for me. Maybe it&#039;s because I&#039;m a power user, it&#039;s not a problem for me to install any package that I need, or find information on Google about what package I need to install or what repositories to add to get something... I used to use Debian before, so Kubuntu was rather a step ahead for me in terms of user-friendliness. (K)ubuntu has a huge repository of packages just like Debian, which can be as easily installed, and it looks much better than Debian, and is more up-to-date, and that&#039;s all I wanted. I don&#039;t really care if Kubuntu has this or that utility that Ubuntu has...

That doesn&#039;t mean I wouldn&#039;t like to stop seeing reviews where people say &quot;yeah, Kubuntu is nice, but it&#039;s worse than Ubuntu, it doesn&#039;t have as big priority in Canonical as Ubuntu&quot;. Or than I wouldn&#039;t like to see Kubuntu much closer to Ubuntu on Distrowatch top list. That&#039;s why I wrote that option 4 would be the best. But if that&#039;s not possible... then I don&#039;t think it&#039;s necessary to change anything radically.

I don&#039;t like option 2. Especially the &quot;GNOME utilities when it matters&quot; part... No hideous GTK in Kubuntu, please :&gt; (well, except Firefox)

And I don&#039;t like option 3 either. Of course you know the situation better than us users, because you&#039;re an insider, but I think any attempt to gain more independence from Ubuntu would lead to marginalising Kubuntu even more. With Ubuntu, you&#039;re in a way a part of the most popular Linux distribution. Without Ubuntu, you would risk becoming just another apt- and KDE-based Linux distribution...

And I agree with those that say that when KDE4 comes, things will change for the better. Let&#039;s hope they&#039;re right :)

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To MarxChan:

You may be right that having one DE instead of two would be better for Linux. So why not concentrate on KDE, which is clearly better? ;)
See, the number of users that use KDE and users that use GNOME are more or less equal. Maybe it&#039;s not 50-50, maybe it&#039;s 45-55 or 55-45, but it&#039;s definitely not GNOME-80, KDE-20, or &quot;people are not that interested anymore on KDE&quot;. We just have two equally preferred desktop environments and dropping any of them would result in protests and outrage of about 50% of Linux users. So the only option is to admit that both DEs have to stay and try to respect each other...

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To Matt Smith:

&gt; If possible, they should copy the Ubuntu colour scheme onto KDE

What?? No, please don&#039;t do it! :) KDE is blue, GNOME is brown, and it should stay that way... Brown colors just don&#039;t suit KDE and make it more GNOME-y, and I suspect that it&#039;s the same with blue GNOME. Just keep it the way it is, I admit that Ubuntu&#039;s GNOME is one of the prettiest GNOMEs I have seen, because of nice widget styles (Human!), well-chosen colors and icons not looking as if they were made in 1980s. And blue KDE in Gutsy is much better than Feisty&#039;s purple one - I especially love the wallpaper :)

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And one more thing, regarding the System Settings - I generally like the idea (especially since I saw that the control panel in MacOSX looks the same :D). What I don&#039;t like is the fact that some of panels are just missing from System Settings. E.g. I can&#039;t find &quot;file associations&quot; panel in it, though it&#039;s available in KControl (and there are more of such panels).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, it&#8217;s definitely option 4 <img src='http://jucato.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;d wanted to add it even before I started reading the comments&#8230; What I would like to see, is Kubuntu as one of two official &#8220;faces&#8221; of Ubuntu. So that on the main Ubuntu website we would see &#8220;This is ubuntu, the best Linux distribution. It has two versions, Ubuntu, the Gnome  version, and Kubuntu, the KDE version&#8221;. And in every official release announcement, we would see &#8220;We&#8217;ve just released Ubuntu x.xx. You can download the Gnome version here, and the KDE version (Kubuntu) here.&#8221;&#8230; I know, sounds impossible, but I can always dream&#8230; <img src='http://jucato.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Or, if option 4 is not possible, then option 1. I&#8217;ve been using Kubuntu for about a year and a half now, and frankly, it was always sufficient for me. Maybe it&#8217;s because I&#8217;m a power user, it&#8217;s not a problem for me to install any package that I need, or find information on Google about what package I need to install or what repositories to add to get something&#8230; I used to use Debian before, so Kubuntu was rather a step ahead for me in terms of user-friendliness. (K)ubuntu has a huge repository of packages just like Debian, which can be as easily installed, and it looks much better than Debian, and is more up-to-date, and that&#8217;s all I wanted. I don&#8217;t really care if Kubuntu has this or that utility that Ubuntu has&#8230;</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t mean I wouldn&#8217;t like to stop seeing reviews where people say &#8220;yeah, Kubuntu is nice, but it&#8217;s worse than Ubuntu, it doesn&#8217;t have as big priority in Canonical as Ubuntu&#8221;. Or than I wouldn&#8217;t like to see Kubuntu much closer to Ubuntu on Distrowatch top list. That&#8217;s why I wrote that option 4 would be the best. But if that&#8217;s not possible&#8230; then I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s necessary to change anything radically.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like option 2. Especially the &#8220;GNOME utilities when it matters&#8221; part&#8230; No hideous GTK in Kubuntu, please :&gt; (well, except Firefox)</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t like option 3 either. Of course you know the situation better than us users, because you&#8217;re an insider, but I think any attempt to gain more independence from Ubuntu would lead to marginalising Kubuntu even more. With Ubuntu, you&#8217;re in a way a part of the most popular Linux distribution. Without Ubuntu, you would risk becoming just another apt- and KDE-based Linux distribution&#8230;</p>
<p>And I agree with those that say that when KDE4 comes, things will change for the better. Let&#8217;s hope they&#8217;re right <img src='http://jucato.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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<p>To MarxChan:</p>
<p>You may be right that having one DE instead of two would be better for Linux. So why not concentrate on KDE, which is clearly better? <img src='http://jucato.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
See, the number of users that use KDE and users that use GNOME are more or less equal. Maybe it&#8217;s not 50-50, maybe it&#8217;s 45-55 or 55-45, but it&#8217;s definitely not GNOME-80, KDE-20, or &#8220;people are not that interested anymore on KDE&#8221;. We just have two equally preferred desktop environments and dropping any of them would result in protests and outrage of about 50% of Linux users. So the only option is to admit that both DEs have to stay and try to respect each other&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>To Matt Smith:</p>
<p>&gt; If possible, they should copy the Ubuntu colour scheme onto KDE</p>
<p>What?? No, please don&#8217;t do it! <img src='http://jucato.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  KDE is blue, GNOME is brown, and it should stay that way&#8230; Brown colors just don&#8217;t suit KDE and make it more GNOME-y, and I suspect that it&#8217;s the same with blue GNOME. Just keep it the way it is, I admit that Ubuntu&#8217;s GNOME is one of the prettiest GNOMEs I have seen, because of nice widget styles (Human!), well-chosen colors and icons not looking as if they were made in 1980s. And blue KDE in Gutsy is much better than Feisty&#8217;s purple one &#8211; I especially love the wallpaper <img src='http://jucato.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>And one more thing, regarding the System Settings &#8211; I generally like the idea (especially since I saw that the control panel in MacOSX looks the same <img src='http://jucato.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> ). What I don&#8217;t like is the fact that some of panels are just missing from System Settings. E.g. I can&#8217;t find &#8220;file associations&#8221; panel in it, though it&#8217;s available in KControl (and there are more of such panels).</p>
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		<title>By: Jucato&#8217;s Data Core &#187; Archives &#187; After all that's been said</title>
		<link>http://jucato.org/blog/quo-vadis-kubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-6958</link>
		<dc:creator>Jucato&#8217;s Data Core &#187; Archives &#187; After all that's been said</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] just want to give some sort of closure to my previous blog post about trying to (re)define Kubuntu&#8217;s identity and goals, just to get rid of this chip on my [...]</description>
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		<title>By: speedygeo</title>
		<link>http://jucato.org/blog/quo-vadis-kubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-6905</link>
		<dc:creator>speedygeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used Kubuntu in the Feisty era, but since september 2007 I switched to the more stable desktop/laptop debian system, Mepis 7 (beta!!).

I liked to think Kubuntu like a Ubuntu+KDE, but it was lesser than this. I was disappointed!

If I will use an *buntu system, I will use Ubuntu of course. All great and innovative software produced in the Ubuntu family is there.

Now I have a Debian+KDE+Mepis_configuration&amp;utilities that is just that I need.
I like and I join the Warren purposes.

If a kde distro must be in the ubuntu family, that can be Mepis. Canonical can support Warren!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used Kubuntu in the Feisty era, but since september 2007 I switched to the more stable desktop/laptop debian system, Mepis 7 (beta!!).</p>
<p>I liked to think Kubuntu like a Ubuntu+KDE, but it was lesser than this. I was disappointed!</p>
<p>If I will use an *buntu system, I will use Ubuntu of course. All great and innovative software produced in the Ubuntu family is there.</p>
<p>Now I have a Debian+KDE+Mepis_configuration&amp;utilities that is just that I need.<br />
I like and I join the Warren purposes.</p>
<p>If a kde distro must be in the ubuntu family, that can be Mepis. Canonical can support Warren!</p>
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		<title>By: morgan</title>
		<link>http://jucato.org/blog/quo-vadis-kubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-6817</link>
		<dc:creator>morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been using Kubuntu since it&#039;s first release and it has always pretty much worked - if a little rough around the edges.

I have always installed the ubuntu-desktop also just to check out gnomes progress although use kde most of the time - I just can&#039;t work in gnome (if only they chose kde at the main desktop.....)

It has never had the polish of other KDE distros - i.e  opensuse, mandrive - even my gentoo installation looks nicer than the default kubuntu install.

However it is the most installed linux desktop I know of - i work in a webhosting company - no one uses gnome...

The best solution would be for Opensuse and Kubuntu to join forces (losing any Novel influence ) stop bothering with gnome and lose any Novel packages and replacing opensuse&#039;s package manager with kubuntu&#039;s. - Just an idea ..........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been using Kubuntu since it&#8217;s first release and it has always pretty much worked &#8211; if a little rough around the edges.</p>
<p>I have always installed the ubuntu-desktop also just to check out gnomes progress although use kde most of the time &#8211; I just can&#8217;t work in gnome (if only they chose kde at the main desktop&#8230;..)</p>
<p>It has never had the polish of other KDE distros &#8211; i.e  opensuse, mandrive &#8211; even my gentoo installation looks nicer than the default kubuntu install.</p>
<p>However it is the most installed linux desktop I know of &#8211; i work in a webhosting company &#8211; no one uses gnome&#8230;</p>
<p>The best solution would be for Opensuse and Kubuntu to join forces (losing any Novel influence ) stop bothering with gnome and lose any Novel packages and replacing opensuse&#8217;s package manager with kubuntu&#8217;s. &#8211; Just an idea &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Whitaker</title>
		<link>http://jucato.org/blog/quo-vadis-kubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-6808</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Whitaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Kubuntu needs it&#039;s own identity...actually, I like Kubuntu over Ubuntu, but it has long languished in polish and fit and finish that Ubuntu has...

On the other hand, the Kubuntu team has not exactly been forthcoming with it&#039;s users as to what they want to do, how members of the kubuntu community can get involved, or even what you expect of Kubuntu users.

The first step in getting a Kubuntu identity has to be to engage your users in the development, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Kubuntu needs it&#8217;s own identity&#8230;actually, I like Kubuntu over Ubuntu, but it has long languished in polish and fit and finish that Ubuntu has&#8230;</p>
<p>On the other hand, the Kubuntu team has not exactly been forthcoming with it&#8217;s users as to what they want to do, how members of the kubuntu community can get involved, or even what you expect of Kubuntu users.</p>
<p>The first step in getting a Kubuntu identity has to be to engage your users in the development, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Dirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 14:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While both GNOME and KDE have their weaknesses and merits, I personally do prefer KDE. I have tried Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Fedora KDE and Mandriva. I stopped using Ubuntu, because I do not like GNOME as much as KDE. I stopped using Kubuntu because it did not look and feel as polished as other ´native´ KDE distributions and because some basic features did not work (ie. a notification applet for available updates). The Fedora KDE release, on the other hand, looks to me to be the exact same quality release as the GNOME version with only a different desktop environment. Today I prefer Mandriva, a native KDE disto with great looks and user friendlinesses. Based on these experiences, I believe it would be the best to make Kubuntu an exact Ubuntu clone with KDE desktop. If KDE 4 becomes the mega hit that I expect it to be, maybe in time Ubuntu will become the Kubuntu clone with GNOME DE ;-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While both GNOME and KDE have their weaknesses and merits, I personally do prefer KDE. I have tried Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Fedora KDE and Mandriva. I stopped using Ubuntu, because I do not like GNOME as much as KDE. I stopped using Kubuntu because it did not look and feel as polished as other ´native´ KDE distributions and because some basic features did not work (ie. a notification applet for available updates). The Fedora KDE release, on the other hand, looks to me to be the exact same quality release as the GNOME version with only a different desktop environment. Today I prefer Mandriva, a native KDE disto with great looks and user friendlinesses. Based on these experiences, I believe it would be the best to make Kubuntu an exact Ubuntu clone with KDE desktop. If KDE 4 becomes the mega hit that I expect it to be, maybe in time Ubuntu will become the Kubuntu clone with GNOME DE <img src='http://jucato.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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